The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. and so Jim Starlin wrote Comics scenario, to his liking, how Thanos managed to take the astral regulator created by the TOAA and absorb it. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. 13. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. But If TOAA existed in Marvel when Pre-Beyonder was created then he isn't omnipotent. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Since it's Lt's job to guard the marvel omniverse, and the beyonder discovers the Marvel Universe today, would the LT have the power to stop the Classic Beyonder? As if the LT had never met the Classic. To me TOAA is the creator (writer/artist). I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. The new retconned ones aren't the same powerwise at all. The Primal Monitor is the whole DC. No one is that powerful. Max Deen. 3812 transcends them TOAA and The Presence unless you go by ThEy aRe OmNiPoTeNt, Omnipotence and. so he is far from being the strongest in fiction not even top 20 strongest in fiction. Based on the events post Secret Wars, TOAA is supposed to be beyond the Beyonder. MOM hasn't shown any feats to suggest that he is on the same exact level as TOAA, let alone Pre-Recton Beyonder. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @King Saturn: Chuck worships GOAG not TOAA All thought he maybe reffered to as TOAA and is the true OAA " TOAA can be referred to as the GOAG though. . A force that has created 4 separate planes of reality<dimension if you will>ie Death Fog's realm , Ruby eye , Darkstar and the last one i can't remember. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. Manhattan's league. " im sick of Beyonder. Stalemate. ago Almighty wins against Beyonder and Oblivion. PR Beyonder Stomps. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. That's the reason because the Choushin suspected all the time that a being higher than them existed. Even his counterpart, The One Below All, is actually an alter-ego of himself, not a separate entity. As. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. ReplyThe Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. TOAA vs Johnny would require more context for a battle though. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Pre-Retcon Beyonder would easily beat Lucifer Morningstar, and would probably stalemate TOAA and MoM. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. TOAA have failed. They’re both fairly obvious picks. We all know TOAA, but Enigma (Defenders:Beyond #5) and The Lost One (All Out Avengers #4) seem positioned to be more powerful than TOAA. He destroyed the Sun sometime in Ardas history. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. While the Living Tribunal is still the judge officially, the Phoenix Force can do everything the. 8 years ago. Azathoth is TOAA of lovecraft. Beyonder curbstomp slaughterhouse. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. The comics have so many meta layers, and TOAA is at the top, so he should scale above Buddha Wukong. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. So, I have TOAA (plot device) above the PR Beyonder (character). Battles. The glory (Dr. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. . Well unless we scale all Buddha “feats” from real mythology. No . Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. In general as the Supreme Beings. Khael. TOAA was the supreme being of the marvel multiverse (interchangeably called universe) and everything in it. Vision House Of Ideas 11. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Nope. he could just copy TOAA and become the new TOAA himself. 4 years ago. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. Here is a scan where he states even he was shaped by external forces and he couldn't defeat the Great Evil Beast" camp and the "Yeah-huh, that scan is inconclusive as he could be referring to the writers and since the GEB was his other half, it might be just. Jan 1, 2019. Not comp marvel, Above all Others was confirmed to be TOAA (the one that Thanos defeated) 2. He's nowhere near Beyonder levels. Given that he included the IG, its fair to assume that he wanted it to work. beyonder Yep, lol. you are skirting the lines of the no-limits. Didnt the latest showing of TOAA makes it clear that HOTU was a small portion of TOAA's power? I say the Beyonder still wins, only TOAA can defeat him. I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. Far from Beyonder levels. Advertisement Coins. [12] He is also. Marvel is a pretty strong verse, but is there anyone who can beat it? Even with a VS as wide ranging as battling the whole Marvel-verse, it still helps to get some specifics nailed down in the OP. Forum Posts. The One Above All (Marvel Comics) + The Presence (DC Comics) CONDITIONS: Versions: Strongest known canon versions. beyonder Yep, lol. dunno where they went other than TOAA clapped his hands and they were gone. The Beyonder's existence is singular in the sense that he doesn't exist in any alternate realities. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. #2 Edited By Kataklysmo. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). TOAA definitely has better feats (his avatar destroyed countless universes) so he should take this. ( Im the TS) The beyonder will fight every comic character other than TOAA and the Presence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. That authority to lt was given by toaa while beyonder didn't get that authority from toaa. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Beyonder's legitimately more powerful. . We can't scale TOAA to Beyonder because TOAA didn't exist. So basically Superman is getting rolled over. Beyonder for the curbstomp. 1. [11] The One-Above-All is the sole creator of all existence in the Marvel Multiverse and possibly the Omniverse. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Retconed Beyonder. Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. Don't get me wrong, The Beyonder (pre-retcon) is still within top 5 most powerful Comic Characters (likely top 10), but is nowhere near the most powerful fictional character. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. Many sources say TOBA is equal in strength to The One Above All. The Divine Order is where LT gets it's powers from. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. bunker_man • 2 mo. Other abstract entities, including Death and Eternity, have similarly confirmed that TOAA is Above all other beings in the cosmic hierarchy in the Multiverse. Same goes for Jean's human parents. Pre-retcon Beyonder. I think Brevoort's answer was a way of taking a dig at Shooter's take on the character and flaunting his power to ret con characters such as Beyonder(prob as being toaa in his own mind). This Beyonder had little respect for mortals and treated everything like a plaything. -5. Agreed. If Pre-Recton Beyonder and TOAA ever faught, it would end in a stalemate. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was. Who wins?PR Beyonder was at the time OMNIPOTENT -- He was supposed to the the TOAA equivalent from his own Megaverse!, it has been retconed a number of times but the retconns are irrelevant to the argument. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. #28 ovy7. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. Like thanos becoming toaa with HOTU. . 0. Recall the first being that we met who called itself a Beyonder. vs. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The Beyonder and the One-Above-All both have a decent claim to being the most powerful character in the Marvel Universe. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. . It is embedded. But Thanos with HoTU became one with all. #1 Edited By Nighthunter. Classic Beyonder is the most powerful being ever imagined by TOAA and drawn. She/Her. Kuuko273. This topic is locked from further discussion. TOAA is a god for gods. infinity - infinity is still fucking infinity. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. . About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. The-One-Above-All (also known as "Above All Others" or ''God'') is the overarching protagonist of the Marvel Universe. The power of love is said to be a threat. the Beyonder was the supreme being of the Marvel Universe before the introduction of TOAA or Oblivion. It's actually arguable that Beyonder > TOAA based on feats. No prep for either. You need to be logged in to post comments. Thats because most Marvel and Beyonder know it all, like @Endless Mike do not post around here anymore. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. Scathan beat Protege and that had to have been from an outside Amp from TOAA based on her copying the LT. - MUSICvisual effects that I use in my videos!INSTAGRAM: nick_. They are god of their own comics. Follow 15315. As Beyonder is meant to be from Beyond the Marvel verse. 56 results. vs. A Golden Age Mxyzptlk is pitted against the "Secret Wars" era Beyonder. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. That being said TOAA indeed seems to be the sovereign of Marvel. Khorne. But despite the immense power, the chasm between The Living Tribunal and TOAA is infinite. Look stuff up for it. I see through many eyes. Round 3: TOAA vs pre retcon beyonder (not sure if he’s actually omnipotent) Bonus: if all three lose, than TOAA vs all three together This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Coldsocial • Additional comment actions. 1. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. -Everything in bleach. Claymore1998. As in rough equals with the presence, who is easily Mikey boy. Comics Explained thinks that The Lost One is more powerful than the Enigma, but the Enigma seems to be an end-all kind of threat whereas the Lost One seems to be a Beyonder-Hunter kind. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. Meaning he became everything and everyone. On the other hand, there are entities – or an entity – that are equal to The. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Beyonder - Millions of times as powerful as the Multiverse combined, but almost dies from being hit by The Phoenix Force and the sum of the Multiverse, proving his base self can't sustain that. Im well aware that TOAA is the supreme being in marvel but zeus is king of the gods and he became the supreme. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. Yeah All Mighty Wins. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. Now, Beyonder doesn't work like that, and is more ore less considered TOAA level, not above, but about the closest thing you could get to TOAA without being TOAA. Yes. Beyonder's legitimately more powerful. He is True Omnipotent, he was TOAA before TOAA was introduuced. And to the other people bringing up TOAA, he is basically The. Sppople. "Beyonder stomp "I don't think so! First of most people consider TOAA(fulcrum) to be slightly above Beyonder in the end. The Fulcrum is an aspect of Eternity as are the Celestials. 0. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. TOAA have failed. 3 The Beyonder. He has no limits Pre Retcon. Current TOAA's Omnipotence is local, virtually isolated and heavily dependent on functional integrity of the Marvel Multiverse Framework or System while Beyonder is beyond any of that. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. In the end Jim was a single employee within the company, his actions were- under review by his superiors. So I might be missing something. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. In general as the Supreme Beings. 2. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. The Classic Beyonder. It is implied he is God. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. Vs. idk how he could lose to anyone except for TOAA if he's not TOAA himself. First debuting in Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #1, this Beyonder gave. . You cannot write a more powerful character than him without transforming from a character to a plot device. Probably thanos as he seemed to. GER is well above the league of the Infinity Gauntlet. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. Everything that takes place is his dreams. He’s supposed to be the number 2 behind. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. #3 Edited By Jmarshmallow. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. Power of love spiderman is probably one of the strongest spidermans this version wakes up one day and seems confused but he notice that in his world all of everything is into one thoughts dreams imaginations time space and universes collide into one which is called the Nexus. . Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. 4. Kitsunw. If by classic beyonder you mean the most powerful version, then its a stalemate. 1 year ago. Manhattan's league. Team The Daughter Of Mortis - vs - Team Beyonder #. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. He's above Dr. is above the spectre and Living Tribunal. She-hulk and GoS Loki can both negate/resist the affect of Plot Manipulation user, she-hulk forced her writer to rewrite her story and GoS Loki was able. 0. Well the Beyonder is infinite dimensional as well. Like this for instance in Secret Wars II beyonder was beyond the marvel multiverse, multiverse then later there was suddenly a omniverse all governed by TOAA, TOAA began with a multiverse and suddenly got a omniverse to play with, but do you see him get retcon no, but his power just grow exponentially, the same with LT in Secret Wars II he was. I'm thinking Thanos. Team 1: The Beyonders. 14 years ago. 33. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. Pre-retcon Beyonder is crazy powerful, powerful enough to stomp the LT, but infinitely weak compared to TOAA. ) should be banned from the Battles Forum, as any fight they're in will end with. s. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Bteatesthighlander1 •. 1. TOAA isn't omnipotent. Dormammu said: Beyonder outclasses her heavily, Featherine would be a better match. #1 Edited By TheSuperor. So basically Superman is getting rolled over. beyonder Yep, lol. Almighty and TOAA are essentially the same thing so there's really no debate. OTG 1 y 5 mo 27 d. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. @DJSNuva1 said: " Bruce=God Beyonder<God "Not true. TOAA is above all. TOAA has no powers. Both have the same powers. There was a guy that could copy powers that defeated the LT. Reviews: 0. Jayfournines. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. 9. . We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. 8 years ago. Two deities would acknowledge each other and move on. TOAA, Prescence, Thanos w/HOTU, Classic Beyonder. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. This is like putting TOAA against an ant. The Phoenix Force can do its best, but The Beyonder might capture it in a glass bottle and take it home like some odd curiosity one finds at a flea market. Beyonder 16. Nyx House Of Ideas 10. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing! I am SUPREME!! In my native realm I WAS the universe! -- Beyonder -Beyonder is supposed to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. Poll The Scarlet King vs TOAA, Azathoth, Lucifer Morningstar, Empty Hand and Pre Retcon Beyonder (12 votes) Scarlet King 50% . In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. m99. Neither of. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in DC. LT has always been 2nd to TOAA he's the sole judge of the multiverse and right hand man or thing of TOAA Beyonder would lose. So there are two possibilities here. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. 2. The Great Evil Beast is on the level with The Presence. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. The winner would just be based on whose power takes priority over the other, which is arbitrary. Requiring no energies to sustain him as Galactus does, Oblivion can choose not to be affected by the mortal plane if he doesn't want to be, a feat that few - including Galactus - cannot claim. Thats because most Marvel and Beyonder know it all, like @Endless Mike do not post around here anymore. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. 1. Situation 3:If all of them are bloodlusted, the battle ends in less than a minute with the last standing being TOAA and Presence. u/nullfather can attest to that. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. Conditions: Everyone except TOAA. Odin's best gimmick is the ability to manipulate a magical field known as the Odin Force. Cosmic Ghost Rider vs The-One-Above-All vs The Living Tribunal vs The Beyonder💯/Let's End This DebateULTRA SASUKE ANIME FACT OR CAP SHORTSRound 3: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Cosmic Armor Superman Round 4: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Empty Hand Round 5: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs all of them. and it can be said so is spectre. The point of the whole story is that Beyonder explicitly turns himself into a human flesh form that is capable of experiencing all of the joys and sorrows that come. Isnt TOBA far weaker and limited than TOAABeyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U!The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. Toba Hulk 7. the difference between TOAA and Beyonder is that TOAA embodies Marvel writers. if anything. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. Pre-retcon Beyonder. bluepride1234. 9. Neutral Close. That's something more powerful than the Beyonder. 1. TOAA cannot warp his own creations without tech and The Beyonder was a creation of TOAA with the same power set. MOM hasn't shown any feats to suggest that he is on the same exact level as TOAA, let alone Pre-Recton Beyonder. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. DC hasn't even created beings on his level, because they realize that something that powerful. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. 5 characters that can beat that living tribunal,marvel characters who can defeat the living tribunal,4 characters that can defeat celestials,5 marvel cosmic. ago. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said: Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. @majestic99. Beyonder would be stomped. Follow 1. Even The. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. Beyonder is beyond the universe. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. Strange, The Living Tribunal, Cosmic Abstracts (including ones that embody the concept of time, death, and infinity), Beyonder, Molecule Man, the omniverse, etc. What they say. Sailor moon vs The Beyonder , i love that one , LOL! The Spectre vs Bloom (winx club)@DC_Marvel_1000: lol. 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube. Wiki Points. I'm not sure how you can put Grant Morrison's "The Writer" character above PM though. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. #3 Edited By Jmarshmallow. Preparation. The Two fight in the beyond realm. They could literally blink the Beyonders out of existence by simply having a character state "one day the Beyonders were gone. Are there any scans that show toaa being superior to pre retcon beyonder?About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. HOTU is directly powered by TOAA (starlin/writer). @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said:Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. s. Aug 10, 2018 #25 Well beyonder is just fiction to oblivion. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Technically God exists as a character on Earth called Yahweh, which is his Jewish name, meaning He does exist as Yahweh/God/Allah in the comics, but how we perceive God in our universe as an all-powerful, unstoppable force of nature is how TOAA is, except he's on an Omniversal scale. This. ago. Ok, this is what I thought. deactivated-629d3023b5b49. Thanos absorbed LT and the universe. " I am the One Above All. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). 11 years ago. So this battle is TOAA vs. 3 K The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). He is the true Monotheistic Supreme God of the Marvel Omniverse and the sole master of the cosmic overseer; The Living Tribunal. Wiki Points. Beyonder being > Oblivion aint change the fact that Beatrice steamrolles Marvel sans TOAA . Spiderman Cosmic Comic 8. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. Those guy would curbstomp Manhatten. 0. Manhattan. Hajun via feats and implied power. He can destroy the omniverse with minimal effort. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. Juntai. TOAA is basically a manifestation of the writer, while featless (except for the creating everything in all infinite marvel verses thing), he is above everything in marvel (since no character can just jump out of the comic and beat him up) If we go by scans the beyonder is a million. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Spectre probably. The celestial is probably still well above Manhattan but I'm not as sure there. Follow 1. If this is The Presence with GEB inside him,his fight against TOAA will be stalemate and Beyonder is beyond anyone (besides TOAA and fully power The Presence),even The Primal Monitor. Mxy on the other hand erased every universe that ever existed and seemed to be also aware of a author, and Beyonder was described as a god in his own universe, essentially TOAA. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Not even beyonder is that powerful. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. Rorschach vs Dr. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Beyonder is nigh omnipotent so he wins. Yes. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. But this time we use current NON-OMNIPOTENT versions of the characters currently retconned. And he loses. TOAA also exists outside the comic as the writer and. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. You can't be above him. TOAA's weakest Avatar was defeated and absorbed by a version of Thanos in his Astral Regulator form while the Beyonder was retconned for being too powerful. 493.